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Airlines with multiple hubs
#1
Hi,
  Thanks for the new release which works much more smoothly. While being able to play a single airline for longer time, I have some ideas maybe can improve the convenience of the game.

1. Creating hubs:
   I have a subsidiary and I want it to operate routes from Portland, Seattle and Oakland. However, when its destination starts to build up, it takes longer time for me to find these three airports since the route creating page is not listed at a certain order. I think it can be a great idea by identifying an airport as a Hub, these airports can at least shown at the top of the list.
2. Airliners scheduling:
   Sometimes it seems that I can assign an airliner on a route longer than it is designed to fly without any warning. Can we change that?
3. Slots:
   I do can receive a warning of having no slots when I try to assign a new route from an airport with no enough slots. However, this flight still operates normally and the information page shows that my spare slot is a negative number. 

Would you like to go through these? 
Thank you!
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#2
That's a cool idea for hubs indeed. Cool
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#3
Hi,
  I have just come up with an idea while thinking about the via flights.
  Is it possible to calculate the increase of demand due to the hub effect? For example, for the PEK-BOS, I would prefer to fly PEK-DOH-BOS because it is cheaper.
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#4
I'm sorry, I have many questions. Big Grin

Why would PEK-DOH-BOS be cheaper?
What has this to do with a hub effect?
How do you want us to show the increase in demand because of connecting flights?


Also, for the sake of clarity. I feel like there is some confusion going on.
A connecting flight are two different flights. You have to change aircraft in DOH and your luggage gets transfered automatically.
Not many passengers will make the same connection since it is your custom connection.

What I believe you are talking about it is a stopover flight.
A flight that makes a stop at DOH, even though you booked PEK-BOS, the flight happens to stop at DOH to board new passengers.
You never switch planes and there are more passengers taking the same route.


So if you were talking about a stopover flight, how would you like us to show that? Smile
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#5
(05-29-2018, 06:45 AM)Tjoeker Wrote: I'm sorry, I have many questions. Big Grin

Why would PEK-DOH-BOS be cheaper?
What has this to do with a hub effect?
How do you want us to show the increase in demand because of connecting flights?


Also, for the sake of clarity. I feel like there is some confusion going on.
A connecting flight are two different flights. You have to change aircraft in DOH and your luggage gets transfered automatically.
Not many passengers will make the same connection since it is your custom connection.

What I believe you are talking about it is a stopover flight.
A flight that makes a stop at DOH, even though you booked PEK-BOS, the flight happens to stop at DOH to board new passengers.
You never switch planes and there are more passengers taking the same route.


So if you were talking about a stopover flight, how would you like us to show that? Smile
Hi!

  Thank you for your reply! I apologize for not being able to fully explain my opinions. My hub effect idea is basically about the impact of interline ticketing(connecting flight tickets) on the demands. So the passengers change planes while not necessary to re-check-in their luggage. Here is my understanding so far.

  The hub effect can increase the demand of routes in two ways:

1.

When hub A has individual route connects to large cities B and C, the airline can offer discounted tickets for B-C. In this way, potential passenger of B-C will be attracted by its price and service to chose to fly B-A-C. Which competes with competitors operating B-C. For example, the route PEK-BOS is occupied by flight HU481, the newest price of cheapest economy class on Sep.28 is 5220RMB. Yet PEK-LAX-BOS (AA180+AA2455) on the same day only costs 754$ which is approximate 4839RMB. If purchased separately, the AA price will be 872$+137$ which proves the existence of a discount. Similarly, even though AH3061 offers direct fight PEK-ALG with the lowest price, most passengers would prefer to take PEK-DOH-ALG(QR895+QR1379) or PEK-IST-ALG(TK21+TK653) for better service and reputation.

2.

  When hub A has individual route connects high demand city B and low demand city C, the airline offers tickets for B-C. In this way, the relatively low passenger demand of B-C can now be added onto A-B, A-C. For example, since the demand of PEK-STL is not adequate, there is no airline operates such route. As a result, passengers takes PEK-ORD-STL(AA or UA) and increases the demand of those routes related to the hub ORD. This is in fact more common and helps the airliners to fill up their cross-continent flights.

 

In my opinion, if an airline sets airport A as a hub, it can create individual routes for cities like A-B, A-C, A-D. If so, the demand of B-C, B-D, C-D will be considered. If there is no direct flight from B-C, the demand of B-C will be added on A-B and A-C to simulate the situation that the passengers take an interline flight. If there is a direct flight, the airline can chose the amount of discount and compete with the competitor based on the price and service, although commonly it will be less competitive.
  I hope that I have explained my ideas clearly. Please feel free to ask me follow up questions since my English may not be fluent enough.     Big Grin
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#6
Okay cool. I understand it. Smile

Hopefully the problem with connecting flights not increasing filling degree will be fixed by the next release.
And it was indeed meant to work like that: passengers prefer A-B-C if the route is a % cheaper than a direct A-C route.

I like the idea of being able to set a discount for connecting passengers, to increase the filling degree on those flights.
I'll look into a way to show connecting passengers on your routes in the stats view. Smile



Are you implying that connecting flights should only work on airports the player set as hubs? (thus with the luggage autotransfer?)
Is it not possible to do so on airports that aren't set as hubs? Or when connecting on to a flight from the same alliance (not per se in a hub of that alliance)?
I honestly don't know. Smile
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#7
(05-29-2018, 01:05 PM)Tjoeker Wrote: Okay cool. I understand it. Smile

Hopefully the problem with connecting flights not increasing filling degree will be fixed by the next release.
And it was indeed meant to work like that: passengers prefer A-B-C if the route is a % cheaper than a direct A-C route.

I like the idea of being able to set a discount for connecting passengers, to increase the filling degree on those flights.
I'll look into a way to show connecting passengers on your routes in the stats view. Smile



Are you implying that connecting flights should only work on airports the player set as hubs? (thus with the luggage autotransfer?)
Is it not possible to do so on airports that aren't set as hubs? Or when connecting on to a flight from the same alliance (not per se in a hub of that alliance)?
I honestly don't know. Smile
Thank you! That is exactly what I mean!
  I guess it should be applied to every airports if it is possible to do so. However, if a airliner has multiple routes from/to one airport, it commonly makes it a hub, isn't it? Tongue
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